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F16 - For Art's Sake by jbwarner86 F16 - For Art's Sake by jbwarner86
I don't know how accurate this theory is, but it does have some precedent - in 1987, Matt Groening didn't want to give up the rights to his comic strip "Life in Hell", so before he met with James L. Brooks to talk about doing animation for "The Tracey Ullman Show", he created the Simpsons.

Also, once again, Kendra's opinions are not necessarily my own. I do like "American Dad"...although that has more to do with Mike Barker and Matt Weitzman than it does with Seth.
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Retro7 Featured By Owner May 26, 2014   General Artist
Heh, well to be fair American Dad came about when they thought Family Guy was cancelled but yeah once they hit The Cleveland Show, it was obvious Seth and his little group were just retreading with some slight tweaks here and there. Even Matt Groaning made Futurama different from the Simpsons. And much better likeable characters too.

Over the years I have been flip-flopping on if I would like to sell the rights to my characters for a show if I ever reach that point. T-Shirts and all are fine but cartoons, yeah gotta deal with executives and what have you, plus networks screwing you over on time slots. It's a shot in the dark really and relies upon a lot of luck to stay in fuction. Ultimately its up to you if it's worth the risk.
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notexisting Featured By Owner Apr 9, 2013  Student Digital Artist
now it all makes sense, i wondered why the Simpsons, IN MY OPINION, is such a bad show and Futurama is so much better. he probably had more time to think about Futurama rather than just throwing it at the producers.
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USSManhattan Featured By Owner Feb 22, 2011
I liked "American Dad" too... until it mutated into The Roger Show.
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Kinggigasmon Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2011  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I like Seth MacFarlane's ideas, but I think the other writers are the ones who've gotten Family Guy's characters into a rut.
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MetalHeadFan2500 Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2011
Seth McFarlane does not have any good ideas anymore

The last time I laugh at Family Guy is when the cast Star Trek Next Gen showed up

Then they screwed it up with a religious sub(main) plot
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ADHadh Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2011  Student Filmographer
I, for one, agree with Kendra :D
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Jose-Ramiro Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2011  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Well, Seth helped create Johnny Bravo; that was a good idea.
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MetalHeadFan2500 Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2011
But Season 2 and 3 were better without him
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Jose-Ramiro Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2011  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
No doubt.
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Doodley Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2011
And that's exactly why I don't pitch any of my cartoons to televsion. They take the rights, change it where it suits them, and I'm left with not much, but a measly check.

I'm not against making merchandise and licensing opportunities, though. That's how cartoonists make some (if not most) of their money.
When it comes to a network interested in developing your comic into a series, it's all a matter of what rights they get to it, like television or movie rights. It is possible to negotiate who gets what and how much.
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Matt-the-Hydra Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2011
Hmm, why do I think you've put a bit of your own thoughts as a cartoonist into Kendra's hypothetical works? I wonder what you'd do if a Fox representative knocked on your door right about now and asked for the rights for your works...
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THEBEBOP95 Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2011
Nice and it's pretty relatable.
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torquesmacky Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2011
Ha ha! There's proof that the fourth panel is true! Seth's Cavalcade of Cartoon Comedy was his one chance to do something completely his own, and he just did the same repetitive jokes he had already done a thousand times before on Family Guy.
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BoomerBOmb Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2011
I have to agree with you on the American Dad point, but I like the way Kendra expresses it though.
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TSH678 Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2011  Hobbyist Filmographer
I am now OFFICALLY in love with Kendra.
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UncleScooter Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2011  Professional Artist
"American Dad" is definitely the better one of the three MacFarlane shows- these strips with Kendra are just awesome =D

If ever the opportunity came that someone wanted me to turn "Quacktown" into an animated series, I'd do the same thing Groening did- make something else up in its place and keep the rights for the "good idea" :nod:
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cresent34 Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2011
Methinks Kendra has a bit more in common with Bill Watterson than Matt Groening or Seth McFarlane, if you ask me. (Not that anyone even bothers.)
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victor639514 Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2011  Student
I think I like "American Dad" more than "Family Guy" to be honest.
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qwertypictures Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Whether your own opinions or Kendra's, that last panel gave me a good LOL moment. Bravo! :clap:
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Carsis Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2011  Professional Interface Designer
Considering that we now got Family Guy, American Dad and now the Cleveland show?

its a show about a bit character from Family guy! :noes:
Why do they keep doing this!!??

This is why I don't watch tv anymore. >_>
its a dieing medium.
There just simply isn't anything good on anymore.
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Josiah-Shockency-JCS Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2011  Hobbyist Artist
Goshers! XD
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The-Golden-Knight Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2011
Wow...and Seth made Robot Chicken, a most popular show.

But I guess working independent SHOULD have some perks...BUT it will be MUCH harder to get publicity and exposure. SO; can you help me with that?
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jbwarner86 Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2011
Seth Green created "Robot Chicken", not Seth MacFarlane. But it's a common mistake, since they both lean so heavily on pop culture jokes.
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HeartlessSlayer Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2011
at least compared between the two shows, Robot Chicken knows what it wants to be and still works hard to make great shows. Hell, even with the star wars specials, they're twice as hilarious compared to the family guy ones.
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jbwarner86 Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2011
I haven't seen the Robot Chicken Star Wars show, but I did see the "Blue Harvest" episode of Family Guy, and I didn't laugh once. It was basically "Here's a scene recreated verbatim from the movie, here's an unusual observation about the scene, now on to the next one". With the occasional random unnecessary pop culture joke thrown in for kicks.

Well, okay, one thing amused me - Seth MacFarlane's voice acting in the scene where Peter and Brian are trying to get the couch onto the Millennium Falcon. Say what you will about the man's writing, but he can be a pretty good voice actor when he tries.
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HeartlessSlayer Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2011
if you think that's bad, you should see "Its a Trap!", coming from a family guy fan, it was easily the weakest of the 3. But even they joked about how they're tired of doing them and it REALLY shows. As for Robot Chicken, if you watch the show and are familiar with how it works, then you will not be disappointed. Aside from that, the jokes they add in work much better as they don't just remake the story like Family Guy does but instead, make so many random jokes that uses the star wars characters in scenes you'd never expect, as well, even when they do re do scenes from the movie, is more creative and twisted that its just executed so well. But again, if you're used to how the show works, you won't be disappinted.

That's for sure about Seth. He can be very good when he puts effort into it. But it really does make you wonder if its just him or the others that need to improve their writing. He admitted that for Brian's hard core liberalism wasn't all him but mostly the writers who are also democrats like him. Hell, he's even friends with Rush Limbaugh, and that guy is a right winged crackpot.
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maxvision92 Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Plus, the Robot Chicken specials even work in a little bit of the Expanded Universe stuff as well. I will never be able to look at Boba Fett's posse without thinking of how Robot Chicken re-characterized them.
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HeartlessSlayer Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2011
too true man, too true, plus Seth pulls off a REALLY hilarious performance as Darth Sidious, especially in the most recent Robot Chicken Star Wars special. Its funny, he's hilarious in other shows, but in his own, not so much.
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maxvision92 Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
It's also whoever's writing for him, like any actor. It was someone on Robot Chicken's idea to basically turn Palpatine into a cross between Yosemite Sam and Al Bundy.
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The-Golden-Knight Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2011
OH! Sorry; I also get names confused. I guess all I remembered was the Seth part.

Still, that leaves the "publicity" problem unsolved...
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